By that logic, everyone should have casted thier vote for Obama because he had the best shot at winning.

People should not be voting for the person with the best shot at winning. They should be voting for the person that best mirrors thier way of thinking.

Hi, and welcome. Glad you are here.

Question, how do you feel about stealing Marco Rubio’s Tea Party votes in the Orlando Straw poll discussed here:

http://libertarianviewpoint.com/blog/?p=1419

Rubio does have a better shot at winning over you, and you guys for the most part are on the same team regarding core issues this country is faced with.

Thank you

My friend, it is so good to see you here. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

I am sure there are a few people who might fit your definition of tired or unwilling. Most however, I view as opportunistic.

You see, if all these people were really what they claimed to be and voted accordingly, we would already have Libertarian people in Congress. It hasn’t happened yet. They continue to vote “the lesser of two evils”. Any such vote remains a vote for evil.

I see that your campaign is moving smoothly along. I like the results of the straw poll and hope it propels you further into the lime light. The freedom message is also beginning to resonate throughout the state. I hope that many more people hear the bells toll as the future of our country now rides on it.

Keep doing what you are doing. I will continue to help in whatever small way I can. It is all an uphill battle from here, and only 9 months to win it. Time to draw out the troops, show them the battle plans and let’s get them moving.

http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/22559424/detail.html

Jim,

People claim to be Ron Paul Republicans because they like the platform of the Libertarian party but are either unwilling or tired of building the Libertarian party big enough to win elections. That is about to change.

If you have to ask – then no – you are not.

What trend do you think you are setting?

A trend setter doesn’t ask for approval / recognition – he just does it and then allows people follow. You see, they sort of just change the “rules” and bring in a breath of fresh air.

If you want to know whether you are a trend setter or not – ask yourself:
What rule did you change?
Who is following you?

If you have a rule you changed and the masses are following you, then you are a trend setter.

Taking over a party – LOL – well I guess you know more about that then I do.

Perhaps it would be easier. I mean, after all, you would not have to re-invent the wheel. It worked quite well for Ron Paul and seems to be doing well for his son Rand. Rubio claims to have Libertarian leanings and is also trying to make a run on a Republican ticket.

It is kind of funny to hear people now call them selves a “Ron Paul Republican”. Just what does that mean – LOL? Are they claiming to be Libertarian in Republican clothing? If so, why haven’t we seen them in the Libertarian circles previously?

Nah – I don’t think they are Libertarians. I think they are truly republicans, opportunistic ones at that. I think they are simply jumping on the band wagon because they see how he made a difference in the last race and realize that most people are fed up with the BS.

The problem being, if they get into office it will still be the same BS. Why? Because they will go with what they know and they do NOT know Libertarianism. What little bit they do know about it will get pickled in the political juice and we will have the continuing of the same two party system as we do now.

Your idea, however, about winning local elections, makes great sense. If any party wanted to have a national impact, they need to first win on a state scale. There is no way to change Washington if the states themselves are not geared for that change. It just wont happen.

I am surprised that with such passion about local races that you have not yet started anything on the local level. I understand that you cannot do it alone but I seriously doubt anyone in the party would stop you from doing it. I truly believe that people in the party are looking for direction and if you take this on people will follow your lead. They do not know what to do when it comes to running races and are willing to work it if someone will simply guide them to success.

Not sure why you make comments like that one. As a Libertarian, I think that if the use of force or fraud was involved – including with the 12 or 3 year old examples – that a law should be there. Why would it be any different? What does the parental discipline have to do with anything?

We all know that three years old are not capable of rationalizing such tings. It would be obvious that fraud was used in such cases. If you don’t think there should be a law for that – well – I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe you need to go back and study a little more in order to apply your principles across the board.

You have to realize that such needs to be done if you cannot make a simple decision like this. All principles, if they are true to the core, will apply and work across the board. Like JimW said, we would have to support NMBLA – we should – provided they are not using force or fraud. The moment they step over that line it is over.

Our whole belief system is based on the initiation of force or fraud as being wrong. When questions like these come up just ask yourself if force or fraud was used. If it was, there aught to be a law, if not, then it doesn’t matter.

There is a big difference between using fraud to rape a three year old as compared to not wearing a seat belt. Take a stand based on your principles lptbruce. Do not wimp out behind some non answer that will surely loose a race.

Am I a tend setter?

Thanks Bruce, you make my point. Try that answer in front of perspective voters.

You will have to support NMBLA, and lose the support of 99% of voters. There has to be a better way. This example is precisely why I advocate running lib candidates locally in non-partisan races. Exactly. And why I make the “Take over a Party” argument. Thanks again for making my point.

……….JimW

next election cycle prediction is like reading tea leaves. ny 23 should have been a victory. brown’s victory does it (ultimately) help or hurt not yet known. the rand paul election(us sen ky) and debra medina race(governor tx) can be game changers for liberty yet do not advance the LP as a brand per se.

The easier thing for libertarians, and conservatives, to do is to take over an existing political party. Everyone reading this knows this. The Marxists have taken over the Dem Party; Libs should take over the Rep Party to act as a direct opposite.

However, Libs get stuck on some of the questions when they run on a Lib ticket. For example; Should there be a law to prohibit a 12 year old from shooting heroin? or should there be a law to prohibit adults from having sex, consensual or not, with 3 year olds?

There are dozens, if not hundreds of sticky questions that Libs can not or will not answer unless it is to their peril in any election. The voter wants a simple “Yes or No” answer but when Libs are honest, they lose. When Libs are pure, they lose. The answers to some of the countries most pressing problems are not simple Yes or No answers. Hence, the taking over of a political party, —-to provide some degree of cover, to permit a Yes or a No—- is currently taking place. We recognize that there is still very little difference between the two parties, but there is a difference since the S Brown win actually meant something.

…..JimW